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The Xhosa
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The people of the Xhosa Tribe of South Africa have a very rich cultural heritage and have played an important part in the development of South Africa, especially when the most famous member of the Xhosa, Nelson Mandela, became South Africa's first president elected in a democratic election in 1994.
During the seventeenth century, a gradual migration movement took place which led thousands of people from southern Zaire in various directions to cover most of Africa south of the Sahara. One of the tribes who took part in this migration was the Xhosa, descendant from a clan of the Nguni. Today the Xhosa is the most southern group of the migrations from Central Africa into the southern Africa areas.
The Xhosa finally settled in the area that is now known as the Eastern Cape (formerly the Transkei and Ciskei) and comprises of a number of clans, the main groups being the Gcaleka, Ngika, Ndlambe, Dushane, Qayi, Ntinde and, of Khoisan origin, the Gqunkhwebe.
Today, many of the Xhosa-speaking people are an integrated part of South African society and have mostly adopted the western culture. However, many Xhosa living in the rural areas of the Eastern Cape are still bound by the traditions and lifestyle of their ancestors and many customs and rituals have stayed intact.
The Xhosa were, and still are, known for the magnificence and variety of their beadwork. Traditionally, their garments and ornamentation reflected the stages of a woman's life: a certain headdress was worn by a newly married girl; a different style by one who had given birth to her first child, and so on.
Marriages - the Xhosa are polygamous (though today only the wealthier men have more than one wife) - involved protracted negotiations between the families of the bride and groom over the payment of the bride price (lobola).
The Xhosa man traditionally fulfilled the roles of warrior, hunter and stockman; the woman looked after the land and the growing of the crops.
A clan comprised of a number of groups, each led by a chief, or Inkosi, who owed his position to his mother's status (the society, however, was a patriarchal one in which women weren't formally accorded political authority).
The land was communally held; and great emphasis placed on giving according to need: everything was shared, in bad times as well as good; Xhosa families still routinely help one another with such tasks as hut-building.
The body of Xhosa lore has much in common with that of the other Nguni peoples such as the Zulu and Swazi. Animism, and recognition of the presence and power of ancestral spirits and of a supreme authority, are basic elements of belief. Misfortune and illness are attributed to unnatural of supernatural influences (such as the tokoloshe, a hairy and potentially malevolent goblin who attacks at night). Other figures are the huge lightning bird (Impundulu), and the gentle aBantu bomlambo, human-like beings believed to live in rivers and the sea, and who accept into their family those who drown.
The Xhosa also have so-called diviners in their tribes. The diviner is the Xhosa's healer. Diviners help the people in the tribe with phsycological, physical, mental, and medical illnesses. The diviners are mostly women. They wear a shawl and headdress of fur most of the time. It takes about five years of being an assistant to a diviner until you become one yourself.
Initiation rites differ markedly between the various African peoples; with increasing urbanization many groups have abandoned circumcision altogether. Among the Xhosa, the youths whiten their bodies and wear a white blanket or sheepskin to ward off evil. During the ceremonies, enlivened by energetic dances, they wear costumes made from reeds, and at the end of the lengthy initiation period - spent in isolation from the rest of the community - the specially-built huts in which the young men have been living are ceremoniously burned.
The Xhosa language is sometimes also called a 'click' language because of the use of so many click sounds as consonants. These sounds were borrowed from the Khoisan languages of the Khoikhoi and San families, who originally lived in the area. The x in Xhosa represents a click like the sound used in English to spur a horse on, followed by aspiration (a release of breath represented by the h). In English the name is commonly pronounced with an English k sound for the x.
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Ndicela ukwazi ngemvelaphi yo sandla abangothuse,ncamase onogadula bona basealice ithi imbali babesuka emount fletcher,ukhokho wayengumfundisi ekhobonqaba watshata nentombi yasedikeni waphelela apho,ndicela nabanina onolwazi lalomlandu andazise.
Posted by: kuksie |
If the xhosas borrowed cliks from Khoikhoi, what were the whosas before the 1600 as you say they did not come across khoikhoi then.
Posted by: Nkomo |
Molweni kwaXhosa ndicela ukwazi imvelaphi yam, iingcambu zam. Ifani yam ndingu Sityata, please help.
Posted by: Sisanda |
bBendicela ukwazi ngama Ntlane nemvelaphi yawo.
Posted by: nosipho |
The idea that the Nguni tribes migrated in waves from central Africa south of the Sahara in the 17th century is false. We settled here generations before that! Archeology proves that point, read the book called "New History Of South Africa" by Hermann Giliomee & Bernard Mbenga, and stop lying to our people.
Posted by: Ludwe |
Ndicela nindiphe imvelaphi yamagadluma.
Posted by: Mr Linda |
I want to know where the Xhosa's come from?
Posted by: tera |
Mna ndingu Matshabangu uMafuza fulele njengelifu lemvula apha esidukweni kuhamba kuhambe kubekhona uHlubi and I am confused about the origin of aMatshabangu and if we are Xhosa or what help me.
Posted by: zanele |
My Surname is Mnguni, Please assist with the History and Clan Names (Xhosa).
Posted by: Lwandile Mnguni |
Incwadi ethi iziduko zamaHlubi ithi.. uBhele can be traced emaHlubini he was once king of amaHlubi. While he was king, amaHlubi were known as "imiHuhu" others called them "amaNgele ngele" Now during Bhele's reign, he had a daughter and her name was Hlubi. Hlubi was very beautiful and became famous because of her beauty, she became so famous that the other nations refered to amaNgele ngele as Hlubi. Refer to this link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hlubi_people for a list of Hlubi kingsMore indepth information on amaBhele: http://www.amabhele.org/documents/pdf/amabhele-history.pdf isatshaya into kaMdange.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| Siko lokuqala elithi lenziwe emntwini ngokwakwaXhosa lelembeleko. Imbeleko leyo ithi yenzelwe usana olu lubomvu lugqitywa ukuzalwa. Elo ke isiko belisithi libonakale xa umntwana engalenzelwanga kuba umntwana ubeba nezinto ezingaqhelekanga abezenza. Izinto ezifana nokushiywa lilindle okanye ngumchamo xa elele. Akuba umntwana enzelwe imbeleko into elandelayo kukunxulwa kwakhe. Kuthi kufike abafazi bomzi lowo umdlezana lo endele kuwo, beze bephathele usana olo lugqitywa kuzalwa impahla. Ezi mpahla ke zithi zinikezelwe kumama wosana lowo kusithiwa kuye kuyavuyiswana naye nanjengoko ethe wakhululeka. Batsho besithi baze kumthatha ke ngoko ukuba abuyele kwasekhaya nosana olo lulindelwe ekhaya. Isiko elithi lilandele lelengqithi. Ingqithi ke ayililo isiko elenziwa kuyo yonke imizi, ithi yenziwe kwimizi ethile kwalapha kolu hlanga lwamaXhosa
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| @zikhona In short it is not okay, but nowadays people have ways around these things. The way I understand it, is kwaXhosa uba ninqula kuKhokho omnye anikwazi utshatiselana. Remember that iziduko is an ancient science that prevents things like incest amongst other things. As you may know, children of incest usually have some form of deformity. That is believed to be the ancestors wrath [Ingqumbo yeminyanya].
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| @zikhona In short it is not okay, but nowadays people have ways around these things. The way I understand it, is kwaXhosa uba ninqula kuKhokho omnye anikwazi utshatiselana. Remember that iziduko is an ancient science that prevents things like incest amongst other things. As you may know, children of incest usually have some form of deformity. That is believed to be the ancestors wrath [Ingqumbo yeminyanya].
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| @Thulethu As far as I know it shouldn't be a problem. But it gets complex [becomes a problem] if you use your mothers' clan name, i.e. if imbeleko yakho uyenzele kwicala lika mama wakho. The best advice I can give you is that you both consult your family elders and see what they have to say.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| @Thulethu As far as I know it shouldn't be a problem. But it gets complex [becomes a problem] if you use your mothers' clan name, i.e. if imbeleko yakho uyenzele kwicala lika mama wakho. The best advice I can give you is that you both consult your family elders and see what they have to say.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| @mzwakhe yirha mzondi, sampu ziyeka, thambo lenyoka lihlaba elimzondayo
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| @uNicholaus kaLudwe amaXhosa xho - Tshawe, Cirha, Jwarha etc amaMpondomise - Majola, Jola, Rhudulu etc amaMpondo - Faku, Nyawuza, Khwalo, Mtlane etc. amaMfengu - Bhele, Dlamini, Xaba, Rhadebe etc. abaThembu - Madiba, Qithi, Ndungwana, Maya etc. Bomvana - Tshezi Zininzi ezinye, amaHlubi ona ayingo maXhosa. Amahlubi sisizwe esizimele geqe
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
I just wanna know if its okay to date icazin yakho nna ndicela u ncedo; plz.
Posted by: zikhona |
I want to know exactly how many days do you do Imbeleko Ceremony and how do we see that you had Imbeleko. Is there any ring or bangle that you get after the ceremony?
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AmaBhele la avelaphi na?
Posted by: Bulelani |
I like to know if there is any problem if I marry a man who has the same clan name as my mom? We've dated for 1 year and 6 months and we are engaged. Now it turns out that his clan name is the same as my mom. Cause he never knew his father's side. Please help me guys!
Posted by: thuletu |
i need help with my clan names.
Posted by: Lwandile Mnguni |
Hey guys kunjani apho elunxwemeni. I miss you all.
Posted by: San///sinyeke |
Ndiyacela nto zakuthi nikhe nindithuthele amaMvulane nembali yawo.
Posted by: simphiwe |
I think having a Xhosa history page is a great idea for peaple...
Posted by: Khanya Soga |
Please help me, I need to know Izithakazelo Zama Myirha for my wedding. Please email it in full to kenneth.kama@sasol.com
Posted by: mzwakhe |
Sizukulwana sika Phalo!bhotani mzomhle ontsundu.
Posted by: khawuta |
Responding to Dwango Mbuyaze Garry, chief are you related to the Dwangu Family in the former Transkei our clan name is Nxele, Nondzaba, Bhelesi - The ancestor know as Phuni Henry Dwangu is my grand father from Transkei.
Posted by: sonwabile dwangu |
Please help me find my roots and/or relatives in South Africa. I believe I am of Xhosa origin. My grandfather and his siblings came to Southern Rhodesia as Methodist Church workers in early 1900's. I never saw any of this generation as they all passed away when my fathers generation was still very young. They had married locally i.e. Zimbabwean women. Our clan name is mzankwa alternately mzimanzi.
Posted by: Vivian Vilika |
I urgently need the cultural cloth, usually used by African/cultural/healers with the following features: black and white (preferably) with the monkey/baboon face/head at the bottom with a (tholo) a springbok along the wild grass. Typical an ordinary cloth to wrap around. I am so desperate as I soon going to the veld and my ancestral/spiritual session is about to end. Urgently please call gp @ 071 706 6899/gpwafs@gmail.com
Posted by: GAPE |
Dear Friends Pls. will you be so kind so emaail me more information according the qithi clan culture. I also would like to to know who was the Chief of this clan group. I'm also a Chief in the Western Cape area in a place called Delft South. The information will be much appreciated. rotondumiso@gmail.com Thank You Mr Ndumiso Victor Roto
Posted by: Ndumiso |
Ngu caca igama ngucekeshe ifani isibongo ngundungwane, ubhejula, uyem yem ndifuna ukwazi kabanzi ukuba undugwane ngubani ukusukela kuye uyee wasabalala njani kuba ifani zinintsi kodwa isiduko sinye nokuba ngubani ucekeshe.
Posted by: Caca |
Sizwe sakuthi khanindincede ngembali yamaMvulane kwakunye nendimayawo esiXhoseni. Ndizalwa nguNelani onguMvulane kodwa sonke sizazimva ukuba singamaMvulane ndixakene nento kuba uTata ondizalayo wayeyinkedama usapho olwamkhulisayo layifihla kuye imvelaphi yakhe kubalalisithi lo yayingumyolelo kaNina wakhe ngaphambi kokusweleka kwakhe ukuze angazilandi. Kungoku nathi sifana neenkedama asizazi imvelaphi yethu nobuntu bethu kwaye bonke abantu abadala apho sikhulele khona sebalala ukufa. Khanincede nto'zooBawo andazimbali, andazizinqulo andazibantu basekhaya kungokuva kungathi wayenaye umkhuluwa owabaleka impatho ehesheheshe wazilanda kuba wayebuqabuka noko yena. Enkosi
Posted by: Anele Nelani |
NdinguMpehle wakwaQhusheka, ndicela ukwazi banzi ngemvelaphi yamaMpehle, ooCabashe,ooDikana, ooNkom'bomvu.
Posted by: Manelisi Qhusheka |
Hi guys isduko sam ngu Dlamini but I've found out already that umama wam ngu Ma Xolo and I know originally from Port shepstone makhulu ngu mambhele but my great granny was from Mdlozini family and I heard she had a white ancestery and I think its british and they from Umzimkhulu I would love to know the surname.
Posted by: Mthombo |
@Lucky, Diya is the son of Ndungwana who's father was Nxekwa who was a Paramount Chief of the Thembu clan who gave birth to four sons: Hlanga from the Great house, Dlomo from the right hand house and then the twins Balisa and Ndungwana from Iqadi of the Great house, the twin of Ndungwana died during the fight between Hlanga and Dlomo, the fight was about who's going to be the king after their father died, Dlomo defeated Hlanga with the help of his younger brother Ndungwana. N.B Ndungwana is a younger brother of Dlomo
Posted by: Thembelani |
Are we the only onces who can pronounce the word "xhosa" ? Lol.
Posted by: Nicholaus Ludwe |
| What I understand about us is that we are damn complex: there people, then whites and blacks, then in blacks we have amaXhosa, kumaXhosa we have amampondo, amamfengu, amampondomse, amahlubi, amaxhosa xho, ama etc., kumamfengu sinoo madiba, oo-sophitsho, oo-ngqolomsila. Then (sigh) ndibala ntoni na.. Hhay ndidiniwe mna ngoku! --roz.pro
Posted by: uNicholaus kaLudwe |
Ndiyazibulisela, mna ndingu Mamncirha, ndifuna ukazi imvelaphi yamaCirha.
Posted by: zodumo Yawa |
| I am the son of Mpinga but dont know where my grandfather come from. I heard that originaly they came from eastern cape engcobo. My father and my aunt don't know the place because my grandfather did not take them to see the family. Can somebody tell me where are the mpingas at Eastern cape. I dont mind to travel.
Posted by: David Mpinga |
Hi there ndicela umntu okwaziyo ukunqu OHlongwane amangwane.
Posted by: Siphoki |
| Am from Mt Frere, I don't wana believe AmaBhaca don't have King of their own in this new South Africa, who knows amasko ethu, surely am not doing as other tribes. Yes some of Bhacas are among many tribes but will remain Bacas by blood. History says Madzikane travlled many places and some of his people left behind these places ie history told-they attacked the Basotos and took their cattle en moved on, there's even a story that Mjoli was so strng en encouraging pple in the journey-whn climbed a steep mt hungry he digged steps wth assegai so week ones cud manage singing ingoma en the whole fightmen followed him. Secondly when Madzikane died attacke by 2 nations sametime of Thembus unfortunately it was his time of magic end and died. I am saying this coz am feeling we are so small in this our SA. en suspectn ths thng of hunger tht led to our chief to go arround tryn to get wrk for our grndfathers ended them workin with sewage system made my tribe unrecocgisabl en sme hate the trbe name as they knwn fo Muti magics even though was thng of the past driven by then situations, please dnt leave ur own out, count us in, we so enthusistic to hear about our Bhaca chiefs en how they gaine their chiefntancy. lastly-we are not speaking isizulu but isiBhaca, not living in scattered areas of Mt frere but the mt frere is where we are, en Mjoli why is they so mentioned in Bhaca tribe among the Chiyas and others.
Posted by: mkhuseli Manyala-Mjoli |
Ndicela ukwazi nge fani yakwa matinisie ematshaweni, ndicela imvelaphi yabo nendima abayidlalileyo ebukhosini.
Posted by: mfundo matinise |
I am sending this message for the second time. My surname is Dwango my name is Mbuyazwe Garry. My father's name is Tenju Johannes Dwango who was born at Trichat at the Mpumalanga Province near Standerton. All I know is that my grandfather came from eQonce and nothing else.I was born and bred in Gauteng, Mamelodi in the Tshwane City. I have never set foot at the Eastern Cape. I have consulted some of the few elderly people that are left in my family in Gauteng. They told me that singa ma Dala. Singo Dala, Ntshoko, Zele, Yendi. Otsha kude ngo wa maNdungwana otsha kufutshane ngo wa maDala. I have explained before that our connection with our original family eXhoseni have been cut by a long time migratory occurrence that was undertook by my grandfather uNkangelanga Henry Dwangu. I would like to find out more about the origin of this family and clan. I am looking forward to a day that I will be stepping on the soil that my great ancestors have reared their cattle and taught my folks lessons that made them who they are. I am hopeful that my dream will one day come true.
Posted by: Dwango Mbuyazwe Garry |
Mna ndinguMqadi or Qadi ndifuna ukuqonda siyindlu yesingaphi eMampondomiseni.
Posted by: Lucky |
I just want to know who knows the history of the clan called DIYA; NDUNGWANE, BHEJULA; MTHEMBU; TSHAKA?
Posted by: MTATI SIYABONGA |
| hi everyone, my name is thobeka kenene, im using my moms surname which is not really her surname as she uses her grandmas surname which belongs to amangwevu. Her real surname is sinxo, which belongs to amazangwa. My great grandad is gybon sinxo who wrote books in xhosa. My dad left when i was young, his surname is Magoqoza, clan name: Nozulu Mnguni Mpafana Tukela Im lost. I need help in finding out what my clan name is, how to praise, and what my origins are? Im hoping to get married, and i wanna marry when i know what kind of woman i trully am. Iv heard im mfengu, im guessing im zulu??? Please Help.
Posted by: thobeka kenene |
It is good to find these things on the web.
Posted by: sive tula |
Umlando uthi amaXhosa adabukwa eMbo kwaMkhize. Abantu bakwaMkhize baziwa ngokuthi bangabaMbo. uSibiside uBaba wethu sonke thina baMbo. uSibiside wazala uMavovo uMavovo wazala uNjanya, uNjanya wazala uMpondo noMpondomise amawele kwasekudabuka isizwe samaMpondo namaMpondomise. uSibiside wabuye wazala uNomafu yena owabumba isizwe samaBomvana. AmaMfengu futhi umlando uthi adabuka esizweni saseMbo kwaMkhize. Andiqondile ukuthini nina zingane zakwithi kodwa imbali etsho kanje.
Posted by: Mkhize |
Camagwini bantu bakuthi. Bantu bakuthi ndicela singawuvumeli umlando ongamampunge, kuba ubulala unombo wethu sisisizwe. apha eMzantsi singa siyinxalenye yabantu bokeqala, qha mabhulu athi siya fika kuba efuna ukubanga isizwe. lento kusithiwa siyafika kungenxa yokuba ngelaaxhesha babefika ngalo, Yayilela xhesha lika Shaka abantu bebumbene bunyu kile beyokwenza umda womkhosi ukuze impi kashaka ingangeni.
Posted by: Makhosi uDlamini |
| I am sick and tired of Zambians and Zimbabweans who want to steal the Xhosa culture and heritage, they want to steal our musicians. They can't produce their own and find themselves having to impose themselves on SA and Xhosas in particular. Ndidikiwe ngabantu base Zambia nase Zimbabwe abathe gqolo bezama ukuba imbali nezithethe zamaXhosa, bafuna ukuba iimvumi zethu. Bayazifaka.
Posted by: Sick&TiredofZambians |
The claim made in this article that migration from "Zaire" only began in the 17th century is false. Please refer to this article for a more accurate account http://www.historytoday.com/shula-marks/south-africa-myth-empty-land#.T0PAp_Zuxw4.twitter
Posted by: fumbatha |
I am missing the top joint of my left hand ring finger and, when I was a schoolgirl, had a Xhosa friend, Patience, who was missing the same finger as me. She used to say that I had a 'Xhosa' finger as she and her mother had the same fingers missing but her father and brothers had the little fingers amputated. I know her mother was from the Thembu clan. Can any one tell me more about this custom and is it still common place? Patience had her finger chopped off by her father when she was 3 years old. Many thanks for any info.
Posted by: mandy |
| MasiCamagusheni xa siland'iziduko, kuba ubukhulu becala ezi ziduko ngamagama abadala okanye amanyange. ndinqwenela ukuncediswa ekulandeni umnombo ka khokho U Mlindazwe Nxu uRhudulu, owemka eCala, wayakuma e Burgersdorp kanti ke ndisaphanda Ngo tat'omkhulu uMatshini Mamfanya, umQocwa, naye unembali eBurgersdorp. Onakho makandincede. Makube chosi ke mawethu.
Posted by: Nokhelekenkce |
| Enkosi ngempendulo yakho Mbuy. Ndiye ndibhideka mpela ngoba abanye bathi amaThuse angoo Mvulane, Ncamase, Papashe, Marula, Nototoyi, Nogadula, Msuthu. Uninzi lwaba bantu lupha eTsomo, Tsolo, Cofimvaba, Mthatha, Qonce njalo njalo. Ndazi ezi fani ezikhe zibe ngamaThuse - Mabusela; Peter; White; Ntsebeza; Dzengwa etc. Ukuba omnye umntu unolunye ulwazi, angakhe atsho, angqine okanye aphikise.
Posted by: Simphiwe |
Molweni Mawethu, Ndicela ulwazi ngesiduko sika-Ndzotho/Nzotho. Ngoobani abo bantu kwaye ke baphi apha esiXhoseni? Ifani zabo zithini kuba ndazi nje le ka-Noganta?Ndiyaxolisa ngoba ke ndikhullele kuloMama olihlubi yena ke phofu. Enkosi.
Posted by: Siyamthanda |
What is the quickest or fastest way of knowing how to speak Xhosa and Zulu? I am from Zambia and eager to learn and know, your culture is so unique.
Posted by: villan katambi |
Bhotani utata wam ngaphambi kokuthi alandulele eli saye sabhala phantsi ukuthuthwa sesiduko sethu imvelaphi yethu ikhonjwa eCala eXolobe utatomkhulu yayinguTebha ka Nkwandla Zotsho, Deyi, Ndevana, Mayolo, Mshawu Nompumza. Nokuba ngubani ongakwazi ukungqina okanye engeze phezu koku wamnkelekile, Enkosi.
Posted by: Nomsa Nkwandla Mkhize |
@Nxuba, Khawu jonge apha kule blog, this is where I put my articles. There is an article called Umzi KaPhalo: http://amaxhosa.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/umzi-kaphalo-house-of-phalo/There is also another article detailed article [yama Mpondomise]
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Enkosi ngemvelaphi yamanxuba washota mduma nkomo kampehle. Kodwa mnu. Klaas ndiyakucela khawusityebisele ngemvelaphi ka xhosa uzalwa ngubani.
Posted by: NXUBA |
@Sindisa jwambi Ndizalwa apha ke MnaBhele, uDlambulo, uKhuboni, uQunta, uMafu, uLanga, uMnomana, ...uMbutho, uNcwana, unoNtanda, unoMbikazi, uNdabezitha, uMadiba-ndlela. Camagu
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@simphiwe amaThuse, ngooZotsho, ooXolo, ooDeyi, uNompumza, uGqigqi, oMnyama nenkomo zakowabo. Nam andazi lukhulu ngesiSduko into endiyaziyo yeyokuba Ngama Mfengu aphuma emaHlubini [Natal], abanye "baMfenguzela" ebaSuthwini ngelixesha lika shaka, mhlawumbi yilonto ubafumana nakube suthu. iFana nooMaduna, nooSondezi/Tsotetsi[Rhadebe]
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas
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Amacirha, ngo Ncibane ,o Bellbottom, o Gqonci, o Ntswentswe, o Nojaholo, o Nyembezana, o Maqalikhuni bungawatya mazinyw' angabuthelezi, o Qhankqolo, o ngcongolwazimili nje nokuba kuphi, zimil'ematyeni kuphela, o mhlantl'endlovu, o mabandla ka Hlomla liphuthi, lidala lweesatya nazii Nkosi mhlamnene kuba lona line Mpondo, thina sisisi zukulwana sika Malangana, sika Nkosiyamntu, sika Ntsikana ka Gabha u Nokhongw'imaz'eush'ibele,ndim ke lowo, Molweni maXhosa akuthi, kodwa ngawkhe undthele tscphe ngoBell Bottom wafika njani apa kuthi.
Posted by: lungiswa Mfidi |
Ndiyanibulisa bantu ndicela nindithuthe odlambulo.
Posted by: Sindisa jwambi |
Ndiyabulisa nto zobawo. Ndicela nindincede nikhe nindithuthele isiduko esingu Thuse nitsho nemvelaphi/imbali yababantu. Ufifi endinalo luthi ngabeSuthu aba.
Posted by: simphiwe |
@VUVU Ndiya velana nawe sisi. In Xhosa culture it is not right at all because technically it would be incestuous to do so.If you read one of my posts below I kind of explain this... but your case is a bit different in that ukhulele kulo mama, which means ungu mamBhelele ub' wenzelw' imbeleko ngama Bhele [i.e. amaBhele ayakwazi] But whatever you do, you must make sure that you consult the most senior [& Knowledgeable] members of your family, from mothers side and perhaps get in touch with your father's side of the family.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@ZANDISILE "MPINGA" KWINI From what I found amaMpinga originate from amaMpondomise, they crossed over from amaMpondomise and joined amaXhosa this was before the reign of Tshawe. It is believed that Mawawa had some cultural (mainly customs) disputes with the ruling house house yamaMpondomise and when he left with his clan he wanted to form his own tribe and as they ended up settling in the eastern cape where the amaXhosa settled and they voluntarily joined the Xhosa nation.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@Welile Dlwengu Nants' enye indawo ongafumana eziny' iimpendulo kuyo: abongisocial.wordpress.com/
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Molweni nonke nto'zobawo, igama leenkobe ngu-Anele uMvulane isuduko wakwa-Nelani. Ndinomdla wokuhlangana nabantu bakuthi, ndiyazibukela iincoko ezizakhayo nizixubushayo ndinethemba lokuba nam ndingachola nto koluzungezo lwam lweminyaka.
Posted by: Anele |
Ndicela ninthithuthele isiduko oondzotho.
Posted by: phumla |
Can any one help me find my dad's family name; it's Sikhumbuzo Elvis Majiba/Majibha. Not sure which surname its correct. Please help.
Posted by: siyabulela radebe |
I would like to get more information on the Ngogela clan, your help will be highly appreciated. Thank you.
Posted by: Hleziphi |
Ndicela imevlaphi yamaMpinga kunye neziduko zawo. Athini xa ezithutha?
Posted by: ZANDISILE "MPINGA" KWINI |
Ndenza umbulelo ongazenzisiyo...ewe its brief but helpful. Keep it up.
Posted by: Athi Kilane |
Ndiyayithana le nto e qhubekayo kule page, isnceda kakhulu thina abakhulela kulo nina. Mna ndizaze late ukuthi ndingu Nxuba, URhudulu, Uwashota kodwa enga shoti nge nqondo,isihlobo sikamthandani Owathandana mhlakwakukubi, ithole lomthwakazi obele lide phesheya komlambo, rabula unga finci.
Posted by: Lungelo.Mzamo |
Mna ndikhulele kulo mama kungekho nto ndiyaziyo ngotata wam.Ndibiza isiduko sikamama wa umambhele. Ngoku ndimdala ndiye ndathandana nomfana wakwanyawuza. wacela umtshato kum ndavuma, uthe xa kuzocelwa intombi kwafunyaniswa ukuba utata wam naye nguNyawuza uThahla undayeni, hlamba ngobende. Ndithini ke ngoku uba ndiyamthanda lomfana. Is it right to marry a man whom you share a clan name with.
Posted by: VUVU |
Ndibona abantu abaninzi bebuza imibuzo ngobubo, kodwa akukho zimpendulu kwimibuzo yabo. Ingaba ziphi impendulo?
Posted by: Welile Dlwengu |
| @Fezile Ntontela Wabane, Deyi, Maqholo, Ndohle, Bekiso, Phathwa, Wushe, Qubulashe, Mthi owathi ukuwa wabekisa amasebe eThukela, nonkasa, nonthsikila, bahruza, omaphungela esosini amakomishi ekhona. abanye bathi Zotsho, Deyi, Xolo, Thuse, Nompumza, Gqigqi, Mnyama nenkomo zakowabo Ngama Bhaca.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| @Lumka AmaXhosa do not come from the amaZulu, amaZulu were not a big Nation before the reign of Shaka in fact they were just a clan [tribe]... and the reign of Shaka can be accurately placed in the early 1800's. He integrated other tribes/clans from Embo, where all the "Afronoits" or "Bantu" people come from, that were inhabiting the same land as the Zulu nation [Natal] and that is how the Zulu Tribe became the mighty Zulu nation. Many of the Zulu groups came from amaHlubi. That is why you find a lot of Mfengu people within amaXhosa... Rhadebe, Bhele, Dlamini, Khumalo, Ndlovu... the list is very long. You get these clans in both Nations, i.e. Xhosa and Zulu... some still maintain their proud Hlubi identity and or customs. Like Manqoba Xaba and Ndzotho said in their comments below that even this article is not accurate interms of time... i.e. AmaXhosa [Mpondo, Mpondomise, Thembu, Bomvana... etc] nama Hlubi are nations much older than 600 years, a couple of millennia older too. The Zulu nation as it is now, is 200 years old give or take a couple of years. Klaast
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Another thing i heard is Xhosa's originate from Zulu's..... as they fled to start their own clan. This history was told by my grandfather.
Posted by: Lumka |
Hi guys, I really need your help. Can you please give me surnames zabantu abanesi duko esingo Mdlane as I believe they are from Umtata.
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I'm looking for my family, my grand father run away from home while he was young, his name was Wele Welliam Mpinga and left his twin brother. Reason of leaving home they didn't want him to be a chief, and he fled, and went to Natal where he got married at Umazondo - lived there until the end.
Posted by: prudence mpinga |
Mna ndinguMiya ,uSbewu but bhuti ndicela undixelele ukuba ooDeyi kuthiwani xa bebongwa.
Posted by: Fezile Ntontela |
mna ntozakuth bemdicela umntu onokundazisa izduko zoNXOTWE ngamampondomise kelawo...ndikwacela nokwazi emvelaphi yabo.
Posted by: mvuyisi |
Ngu Ntlane Ngwalane Mayitshe Bengu Sukude Mkhondwana Sbala nkwenkwezi bebala inkomo manzi akanamini akanabusuku mfazi obele linye lide wancelisa umntwana ephesheya komfula mfula awuwelwa welwa zinkonjane kuphela kuba zibhabha u wangashe odiya noqhoqho nqabarha ovalela msila wengwe nto imbombu isemathangeni.ndiyazidla ngobangumzukulwana kaGedlana.
Posted by: Abongile Gcaba |
| Bhota kuni nonke zizukulwana zikaPhalo. I am a proud Nguni man who enjoys reading and assessing articles about any of our Nguni tribes. This article is not a detaild as id like it to be and personally hate the fact that white people have always viewed our migration as a young one “AD” which from my view and sources is crap. Europeans write these articles and say our migration was in the 17th century which is not so, we are originally Nguni/Embodian Nubans! The Nubian migration started over 2000 years ago “BC” and I've noticed in all articles that are written by European and their arrival and links themselves as arriving in SA the same time as us. My Nguni brothers are sisters NjengomGcaleka nditi bayede kwizezwe zakuti we as Nguni people have an international footprint from here rite up to ZamBia. These tribes are namely the Swazi and Mamba in Swazi Land, Phuthi which bordering Lesotho, Zulu, Xhosa, Thembu, Pondo, Southern Ndebele in South Africa, Northern Ndebele in Zimbabwe (Matabele land), Northern Shgaane in Mozambique, Southern Shagaane in South Africa, Tsonga in Sa, Swaziland and Mozambique, Ngoni in Malawi, Angoni and Gomani in Tanzania, Angoni in Zambia, amaHlubi amahle and all the others who got formed around the time of Umfecani For more information please log on to AmaNguni “The facebooke group with the straw hut as the profile pic”.
Posted by: Manqoba Xaba |
| @Mawethu, AMANGWEVU asuka kumaRhudulu, [ngama Rhudulu, igama lama Ngwevu alifumana kuTshawe] UTshawe wafuna uncedo kumaMpondomise ngelixa exutha ubukhosi kuCirha, AmaMpondomise akhupha amaRhudulu. Amncedise ke uTshawe.. wabuxutha ubukhosi kumkhuluwa wakhe uCirha.uTshawe waye funa ufaka amaRhudulu ebuTshaweni, zange avume ke amaRhudulu... bathi bona ngcono bafunge uTshawe. uTshawe waye waba nika isiNqulo uNgwevu, ngoku bengengo maTshawe, wabafak' ebukhosini. AmaNgwevu amaninzi awela njalo ebuXhoseni aze ade aba ngamaphakathi asentloko. AmaNgwevu asemaXhoseni akasayifaki indawo yobuMpondomise xa ezithutha, uNgwanya noMpondomise noMphankomo akamfaki. Awukwazi ukuthetha ngoSkhomo namaRhudulu[amaNgwevu] ungathethanga ngamaMpondomise. Khawuqale urhabul' aph' unga finci. http://amaxhosa.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/amampondomise/ Camagu
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Ndifuna ukwazi ngamahlubi oMbasa apho abakhoyo kwaye nokuzithutha.
Posted by: N Mbasa |
U Skhomo ngumfo wasebukhosini; AmaRudulu yayi sizwana apha esastithenjwe ngenduku. Ingaba lento imhlanganisa kanjani uTshangisa nobukhosi ?
Posted by: Mawethu |
I want more information about the Mpinga clan and their praises.
Posted by: Zandisile (Mpinga) Kwini |
@ane Apha kwaXhosa that is blasphemous because that is incest, it would be like dating your own cousin. However, Big clans that divide into several subclans like ooDlamini, ooRhadebe, ooBhele etc... you see these kinds of things, i.e. interclan marriages.But I'd say, mention this to your family elders before things get too serious. AmaQithi praises:
Qithi, uDlomo uSophitsho uNgqolomsila uYem yem uVela bambhentsele uZondwa uHala Nkomo zirhwanqa ngesisu, zonkone mgomqolo sineMazi ewasakazi kuthiwa ngumbhentsele esangweni uMadiba IHala elibhuzubhuzu umadiba idonga lichwele.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Molwen mna ndinguNozithembiso akudalanga kakhulu ndisazi uukuba esona siduko sam nguMampehle ndikhuliswe ngothangana bakwaDyira. Ngoku ndifumanise ba utata wam ngumpehle wakwa Booi ndicela ukucaciselwa ngemvelaphi yamaampehle.
Posted by: nozithembiso |
Is it okay to date someone with the same clan name as you? And ndicela undithuthele esisduko: qithi.
Posted by: ane |
Please help me wth information about my surname, where actually is it from?
Posted by: David Themba |
@Nomatemba temba This is not my site sisi. I am just helping out people with my knowledge in my "spare time" but I don't know everything. So I'll share with you what I know, and if I don't know I am not going to post antything - all I can do is to research it. So I am not being selective, I just don't want to post a lot of "I don't knows" or "I'll find outs".The only thing I know about the Temba clan are izinqulo [izithakazelo] either than that, I haven't found much on them. There are two lineages: Themba: Mlawu, Ngulanyama Makamankati Makamela kuhlota Ndabezitha. Ngama Ndzawe!!!! Themba: Ndabezitha Mageba Hlangalezwe Ngonyama!!
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@Nyanos Check this link out... http://amazizi.wordpress.com/
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@Phumlani Babini ooCirha apha kwaXhosa. Kukho amaXhosa ooNtswentswe, uNojaholo, uNcibane, kukho ab kukho amaMpondomise ooJolinkomo , Mphankomo,Thole lomthwakazi,somahrwahrwaBobabini Bayadibana noTshawe. UCirha wamaXhosa ngumkhuluwa kaTshawe waye yikumkani yamaXhosa phamb' koba uTshawe athathe[xuthe] ubukhosi kuye. uCirha wamaMpondomise naye waye yikumnkani yamaMpondomise ngelixesha uTshawe esilwa noCirha ukhuluwa wakhe. uTshawe wacela uncedo kuCirha wamaMpondimise ngelixesha esilwa noCirha wakhuph' amaRhudulu uba ayokuncedisa uTshawe into endiyaziyo, ngoMkhwemnte no Cirha yinto yokuba... badibana kuNcibane xabezithutha kumnyama ngapha koko.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| I am looking for my ancestors. I am informed that I am a Mcirha. My great grandmother Jesse Mkhwemte migrated to Bulawayo, Zimbabwe,soon after falling pregnant with my grandfather Simon. I understand that she lived somewhere in the Eastern Cape and born in the 1900/1910 era. i am told she lived in the east london area and might have worked there she migrated/fled with a relation of hers Mamjwahe. Where do I start to find out about my ancestors please help. My grandfather adopted the Dhlamini surname but we still use Mcirha amongst ourselves in speech. If anyone can help my number is uk code then 01215200297. Email is sindi.dhlamini@btinternet.com
Posted by: sindiso dhlamini |
Ndicela iziduko nemvelaphi yamaDlamini, ooZizi, ooJama ka Sjadu. Mna ndingo wa kwa Gqada eMatatiele. Apparently my great-great-grandfather was from Qumbu, moved to Lesotho, adopted the Phuthi culture & language, and ended up settling eMatatiele.
Posted by: Nyanos |
I feel that you are selective when answering our requests... some are answered, some are not. I sent a request wanting to know about the Temba surname" & I also wanted to know about Isiduko as well.
Posted by: Nomatemba temba |
Utata ukhule engumntande nam ke ndakhula njalo. Ndizova kwifuneral yakhe ba wazalelwa erhabula nguTata uZilizile Ngcunge ongumqocwa lonto ithethe uba ndingumnqocwa...ndicela umntu owaziyo lomzi okanye owaziyo amaqocwa aserhabhula anditsalele umnxeba kulenumber 0746908520 ENKOSI
Posted by: XOLISA |
I am an 18 year old Xhosa boy who has recently conected with my roots of the amahlubi and amafengu people in the Mount Fletcher Region .... Thanks to this site Ndiyabulela.
Posted by: Matiwane Mzwandile |
Ndice nindithuthele amaQwambi, Ndazi uba nguMwamb, uHolomi, uTshanabe, Ntsimbebomvu, Tshazibane
Posted by: Qwambekazi |
Good Sir, Ndikhulele kulomama, ndisebenzisa isiduko sakulomama. Ndisandulukwazi ukuba isiduko sam nguMcirha. Ndicela undazise ukuba amaCirha athini ukuzithutha. Adibana njani amaCirha naMatshawe kunye naMakwemnte?
Posted by: Phumlani |
@ Mbuy Klaas Ndiyabulela Mhlekazi ngencazelo yakho NgaMaNdungwane. endithe ndakufumana yinto yakuba kuncinci okushicelelweyo Ngamangungwane ngaphandle kondicacisele kona ngoba njenge sebelesizwe Sabathembu luncinci oluthe lwashicilelwa ngathi kodwa andikapheli mandla ngoba luseluninzi ulwazi endifuna ulwazi njegendlu yamandugwane. ngoba enye intho esisokolisana ngoyo nabatakwe yile yozithutha xasifika phakula ndawo ithi Yem-Yem, Sophitsho, Ngqolomsila, Vela Bembhentsele, azi sambhentseli zoyik' abelungu ,Zondwa Zintshaba zonke zingaz' ukumenza ntho ngoba bathi thina singamaNdungwane asinalungelo lokuyifaka ngoba asi ngomaHALA okanye Odlomo kodwa ngoba ntakwetu thina sizimele. kondwandithi xa ndizithutha mna Ndingu -Ndungwana, Diya, Gungu, Langa, Khono, Bhejula, Nene, Qhwesha, Ndarhala, Tshaka, Mvumbi Siyabalala, Qhuzula, Magez'anenkomo, Yem-Yem, Sophitsho, Ngqolomsila, Vela Bembhentsele, azi sambhentseli zoyik' abelungu ,Zondwa Zintshaba zonke zingaz' ukumenza ntho Nxengo Ndungwana kaNgubengcuka Mthembu obhuzu-bhuzu………..Lulama Mdyosi(Ah!Jongumsobomvu!) ungothuki ujongumsobomvu lo sisikahlelo sam uyoku phawula ukuba ndi thiwe Ngokum kani Umaqoma wama Xhosa kwindlu yamaRharhabe ngexa yokuba babethathe itombi kandungwana lonto itsho inqine ukuba sizikhosi. ndiyabulela.
Posted by: Lulama Mdyosi |
I want to know more about oNzotho, Nyelezi oMaphango... my father is teaching me about my clan but I really want to know more. He said my great grand father was from Kugatyana eWillovale.
Posted by: Nomfi |
Mawethu, Can anyone help with the history of Ndzotho? Their different surnames like Noganta and others?
Posted by: Siyamthanda Noganta |
I would like to know more about my surname; Temba .. pleas also provide izithakazelo...thanks.
Posted by: Nomatemba temba |
Hi, i would like to know more about my clan which is the Mtlane,umathetshwa,ngenduna ne thokazi. I really want to know who I am.
Posted by: Nomathamsanqa Foli |
@Nomazizi OoKhwane bathi xabe z'thuthaChungwa, Tshaka, Tyaka, Khwane, Tshiwo, Ngconde, Togu, Skhomo, Ngcwangu, Tshawe. Ngama Gqunukwebe.
Posted by: M Klaas |
Mna ndicela ndindithuthele aMakhwane, ngoba ndizele khona i'm worried ba ubaby wam angafuna kwazi ngenyimini.
Posted by: nomazizi |
M ashamed, ngoba andikwazi nokuzithutha oku - bendicela uncedo. ndingu Mathiyane, uZengele. Singabase Hershell kwaKhiba, amaHlubi...plz help
Posted by: Theo Mdwaba |
@Athi Sophazi Here are links that you can follow: amaMpondo http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/SouAfrVc/SouAfrVc-idx?type=HTML&rgn=DIV1&byte=237547amaRhadebe http://researchspace.ukzn.ac.za/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10413/1015/Hadebe_Selby_Bongani_1992.pdf?sequence=1
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Would firstly like to thank you for the great insight on the Xhosa culture. Great article indeed. And I would highly appreciate it if you would grant me more information on the Shelle clan. Thank you in advance.
Posted by: Hleziphi |
I like these comments. Ndimgu Mampinga, uMawawa, Ntomtana, Bholokoqoshe, Senzwa. Amampinga ayevelaphi?
Posted by: Nomonde Matinise Shoba |
Ndicela ukwazi ngemvelaphi yoo Khandanisa noo Maya, ingaba kukhona ukwalamana?
Posted by: Pumeza Jonas |
| @Ntombie AMA-Mpandla, NGOShayingwe, OoKhipha, OoHeka, OoTyethe, Mandlana, Zidulw' ezimdaka, Nqena, Ntsithela, ooLanga, ooNdlu' zimaxhobonga, ooMbona OoDlamini, ooRhadebe, ooBhele... yimizi emikhulu le, kangangoba ngelinye ixesha uye ubone betshatiselana. Abanye ngamaMfengu, kodwa bonke basuka emaHlubini. Zonk' eziziduko azindalang' apha kwaXhosa. Bakho ooJama ka S'Jadu, Bakho abakwaNjokweni, Bakho ooTsweleba, akhona aMakhuze, Bakho abaseMandlovini. Bakho ooSolanga, uDinabantu, uMqondile, uMathumbamhlophe njengetsheleni. Umlamb' awuwelw' uwelwa zinkonjane kuphela.Uninzi lwabo naluya ...eMandlovini ngaphaya kweBuntingville. Abazizo imfengu kuba azange bamfenguze emqwashwini. Bona bawela uMzimvubu noNkosi uNdamase kaFaku ngenyanda owema eBuntingville, bona bema eMandlovini. NgooMakhongwana, ooHobe no Thutsheni ibengooYehana noo Thutsheni eBhantini, ooSgwasele, ooMakhongwana nooMbiko aMdumazulu. Naabo ooTsweleba eqokolweni phesheya koMthatha abanye bema eTshani nase lwandile bedlis' inkomo zabo phezu koMdumbi. Ifun' ukdibana ke lento nooSibakhulu eMzimkhulu, kuba kubakho ndawo ethi izinto zikaMakhongwan(e). Kukhona ke nalomcimbi waMandlovu. amaMpehle ona ngamaMpondomise Rhudulu, Ngcengane, Gaduka, Magubu wasemlanjeni, Washota namhla angena nkomo. Nkomo zika Mpehle. Nojeq'umbengo. Mthondw'egqwirha wunqumle ungazal'amaninzi...
Posted by: M Klaas |
| Molweni ndicela iziduko zaMpandlwa, oombona, tshayingwe, nqele, tyethe,langa, khipha,Ndifuna ukukwazi ukuzithutha camagu mawethu. Amampehle, masila, nyonga abanye bathi ngongonyamane, cabashe. Ndicela nesiduko so Dlamini
Posted by: Ntombie |
| Great stuff you have here. find it very useful and necessary. Please do assist me with the amaThuse clan. We generally say singoo Ncamase, Mnvulane, Nototoyi, Nogadula, abeSuthu ... Could you please give clarity on the origin of this clan, who are we related to, and zithini ezinye izibongo zethu. Also and most importantly, how do amaMvulane differe from amaVundle, ooBhayi, etc.
Posted by: simphiwe |
Ndingu Snyaveve, uMalebe, uGwabugwabu, uMshiva nebhanoyi, umfan'owaluthwa ngunina wathi makahamb'ayomchathek'esigangeni wabona tinduza timbili, wath'ungafaki kule engetulu ngekayihlo uyakushay'ufe, huduhudu bafazi babhul'amazolo babuy'ekunyeni !!!
Posted by: SNYAVEVE |
| @ Athi Kilane Check this Link out, it's brief but it should point you somewhere. http://books.google.co.za/books?id=6hw3C1SO6fQC&pg=PA187&lpg=PA187&dq=amaQocwa&source=bl&ots=vUcyPrEJZ2&sig=iy_rviL7TCYtA6p_IPePNGPEt7E&hl=en&ei=vXEtTvDOIMf2sgbonJD3Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=amaQocwa&f=false
Posted by: M Klaas |
@Melody Hina AmaTshawe are divided into two, but not oKhawuta nooMdange. They are divided kuPhalo. Umz' omkhulu waqhekeka phakathi, xa ufika pha kuPhalo uye ubon' umnombo wakwa Gcaleka uphinde ubone owakwa Rharhabe... Lento yenziwa yinto yokuba, uPhalo wathatha abafazi(Tembu & Mpondo) ababini abakwizinga elinye (okanye abasebu khosini bobabini) yanye indlela yokusombulula lenyewe. Kwanyanzeleka ukuba indlu yasekunene nendlu enkulu zahlulwe. URharhabe indlu yasekunene, indlunkulu inguGcaleka. Umzekelo Mna xandizithutha NdithiuMalangana! uMaladela, uButsolo beeNduku! uMbeng' oNomsi, uNkosyamntu, iNto ka TSHAWE, Kwedini, uNgcwangu, uSkhomo, uTogu uNgcond' oneeNtshaba! uTshiwo, uMdange, Phalo, uGcaleka, uKhawuta, uNqoko, uVelelo, uHintsa! uMlambo awuWelwa ngabafazi abanxib' iilokhw' ezimfutshane, Makwedini Umntu okumnombo kaRharhabe xa efika kulandawo kaPhalo uzakuthi Phalo, Rharhabe, Mlawu, Ngqika...ahle nayo if you check my blog http://amaxhosa.wordpress.com/ I have a detailed article on "umzi kaPhalo" the book, uqala kuCirha no Tshawe, uyofika kuGcaleka no Rharhabe Camagu
Posted by: M Klaas |
@Mabango AmaNtlane namaZangwa [Originally Mpondo], amaMfene [originally Sotho] amaNgwevu (Rhudulu) and Mpinga [Mpondomise] are one of the clans that voluntarily joined the Xhosa nation. Due to cultural differences with their [Nations]. I've heard of amaNtlane angama Ngele-ngele but not abeSotho or rather I am not too sure how similar those two cultures are. But I haven't hear of umNtlane ozithutha different from all the other Ntlane... i.e. Ntlane, uThahla, KaNdayeni, uHlamba ngobubendeUngandi lungisa uba ndiya phazama
Posted by: M Klaas |
Other people are saying that AMATSHAWE are divided int 2 groups oMdange and oKhawuta. Can you please clarify this ?
Posted by: Melody Hina |
Ndifuna imvelaphi ya MaNtlane. Abanye bathi siku mnombo wamampondo, kodwa xa siszithutha sihamba siyofika kwinto ethi singabe suthu. Ndicela ingcaciso ntozakuthi.
Posted by: Mabango |
@Thumeka Mkololo I must say I don't know much about ooBhayi as a clan but I do know that Tshawe begot, Ngcwangu who begot Skhomo and Skhomo begot Togu.Togu had three sons Ntinde who founded the amaNtinde tribe, Ketshe who founded the amaBhayi and Ngconde who was paramount i.e the heir. Andiwu chani ncam, nazi izithili endakhe ndadibana nazo
vundle, msuthu, nogenge, camsholo, bhayi khetshe, khetshe omdaka ongadli mantshotsho Nyoka, nyoka emnyama ecanda isiziba Nkunta, mtiti, bhushula gwaca ukhetshe uMsuthu uGobhosi intambanana emnyama ebhabhe mafini izilenzi inyok'emnyama ecand'isiziba uchamsholo. I set up a blog called amaXhosa http://amaxhosa.wordpress.com/ check it out and post any questions you might have there. I'll try and answer to or assist where I can.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas
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@Andile masela Unfortunately I can't help you reunite with your long lost family, ndiyathemba uba izinto zizohamba zilunga... Kodwa ooTolo endakhe ndadibana nabo bathi xabe zithutha: Tolo, Zulu, Makhala, Ngcetheni, Marhabarhaba Mngwangwane Mngwenyankomo was'el'ithukela Mavel'engathwaliphahla Maxhelel'endlini yakhal'ibhokhwe yathi mhe Mfingo Ntombela Dontsel'intaba.
abandi xhaphakeleyo [lo ungeye wena] bathi ooTolo, ooZulu, ooDlangamandla, ooMchenge, ooNgwenyankomo, ooBhanekazi, ooMfengo, ooVumba leMpongo liyanuka linuka imbobela, ooLwandle aluwelwa luwelwa ziinkonjane zodwa.
I set up a blog called amaXhosa http://amaxhosa.wordpress.com/ check it out and post any questions you might have there. I'll try and answer to or assist where I can.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@Lulama Mdyosi uNdungwana was the first born of Nxego and elder brother of Dlomo even though he was not the heir. AmaNdungwane are structured as follows: (Ndungwana, Diya, Gungu, Langa, Kono, Bejula, Nene, Qwesha, Ndarala, Tshaka, Mvumbi, Siyabalala). uNdungwana wancedisa uDlomo ngeli xesha uDlomo ethath' ubukhosi kuHlanga [one of the first Tembu king(s)]... Kodwa ndine ncwadi titled "Ibali laba Tembu" by W. D. CINGO 1927. It was very dificult to get a copy. Ndizo' zam' ushwankathela and post it when I get the chance. Also look up the book "House of Phalo" and get the relations between amaXhosa naba Tembu. I know they mention amaNdungwana there i.e. Rharhabe wathath' intombi yamaNdungwana... If you are on Facebook ikhon' indoda engumTembu, yazi lukhulu. Aubrey http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1497684400I set up a blog called amaXhosa here is the Link http://amaxhosa.wordpress.com/ check it out and post any questions you might have there. I'll try and answer to or assist where I can.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Khanitsho nto zakuthi...amaQocwa la avelaphi?? ndingumQocwa mna k'qala. uZikhali mazembe, uJojo, uThiyeka, uMabombo ubutsolo beentonga...
Posted by: Athi Kilane |
| I would like to know more about my clan. Mkhumbeni,bhayi ka khetshe, Vundle, Ncilashe, inyokemnyama ecandiziziba, uQwaca, uMevamhlophe, uCamsholo, Nomtshoni, mthokrakra ongatyiwa nazibhokhwe, Zawukana, Msuthu. If you know more which I didnt mention please help me
Posted by: Thumeka Mkololo |
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Posted by: Andile masela |
Mandibulise ngokuzithoba okukhulu Mhlekazi omhle ndicela undincede ngembali wamaNdugwana a clan of abathembu. Ngobandi ngum dungwana ekapa wakwa Mdyosi eladifre kudilatyi kwandungwana kodwa kunizi endingakwaziyo ngalendlu yasekaya ngoba kuthiwa sizimelengoku? NDGAVUYANGOCEDOLWAKHO
Posted by: Lulama Mdyosi |
@Cwayita I don't know much about this clan but This clan is of hlubi origin, but you will find them kwaXhosa [Mfengu] as well. Check this link out, hope it helps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hlubi_peopleBathi xabezithutha: Mpangela, Mvinjwa, Rhoshana, Ndlazi, Dlomo, Sibetho, Magwala, Gwadzi elisilika bubuhle.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
I would like to know more about Mpangela clan (origin, ukuzithutha etc).
Posted by: Cwayita |
Am from Eastern Cape Lusikisiki and would like to know about the origin of amaRadebe and that of amampondo.
Posted by: Athi Sophazi |
@N Sibeko No you can't, from the way I understand it... but that's just me as a Xhosa man and that's how amaXhosa do it i.e. uTshawe akakwazi ukuzek' umamTshawe, I don't know how amaHlubi and or Mfengu nations handle it. But I've heard of uDlamini owazeka umaDlamini and umBhlele owazek' umamBhele. Maybe it's because you find these clan names in different nations Xhosa[Mfengu], Zulu and hlubi but the bottom line is, KwaXhosa marrying into the same clan is forbidden and considered blasphemous because that would be incest. I believe that its one of the primary science(s) behind clan names... you want to be able to trace a person genealogically so that you don't end up in a scenario whereby you fall in love with someone you're related to. Thats why our roots are very important.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
I would like to know, is there a problem for dating a person with the same clan name as you. Putting into conmsederation that this person is not from the same family as you. Can you marry a person with the same clan name as you.
Posted by: N Sibeko |
@Khanyisa Just copy and paste the link below on to your browser window and that site should give you some insight on amaWushe [bhaca]http://www.seniorservice.co.za/origins-of-the-bhaca-people.html?index_php?view=article&print=1&tmpl=component Hope it helps
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@Maphelo Dyani I'm not sure what you're looking for... but ooMbathana [Xesibe] ngama Bhaca. Ufun' imbali yamaBhaca?
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@Maphelo Dyani I'm not sure what you're looking for... but ooMbatha [Xesibe] ngama Bhaca. Ufun' imbali yamaBhaca?
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
I would like to know who am I. As I was born in Cape Town. My father is Khumbuzile Mpi Malangeni from Nxele, Nonzaba, Matshaya e.t.c and my Mother is from Bhele, Khuboni, Langa e.t.c. Who am I? I've been circumcised under my father's clan name and my father is married to another wife and my mother is married to another man. I am a last born from my mother.
Posted by: Maphelo Dyani |
| Interesting and some personal issues, its a great for us to get beack to our roots and stop being mis-used by other cultures. I would like to open up a debate either on facebook or mxit about these isues. Mxit contact 0783415959 an Facebook is in my name. Love you all my Xhosa poeple, bantakwethu masivukeni intlaka yohluthwa sijongile. Amasiko ethu siphulukana nawo. Please invite me if anyone is feeling what I am feeling. Or call me & I will follow you.
Posted by: unathi feni |
Ndingu Maya, uMbuyisa, uMntungwa, ndizalelwe eNqamakwe utata omkhulu wam uthi bafuduka engqushwa ngenxa yamabhulu awayefuna lamhlaba, ndineminyaka eyi-20 ndirhalela ukwazi imvelaphi yam, andikwazi nokuzithutha ndiphelele kwezi zithathu ndicela uncedo mawethu, ifani yam nguBomela. Inamba yam ithi 0836970749
Posted by: Siyabulela Bomela |
| I was born in Pretoria and have never went to the Eastern Cape. My father was also born here in Transvaal and only my grandfather and grandmother are from Ciskei. Their names were Henry Nkangelanga Dwango and Idah Dlomo. I need to find their people, where we originated from in the Easter Cape because they say bengabakwa Dala. My father tells me they were from Qonce. I need to find our people because the era of apartheid is over and now we are free to travel and see our people. I want to know their ways and understand. My father is now an old man and I guess he will be happy to die knowing that he is reconnected to his people.Ongandinceda ngokundibhalela izithakazelo zakwaDala, please do so.
Posted by: Mbuyazwe Garry Dwango |
Please people help me find the Nomvalo family at Tsolo in the Eastern Cape. I need to know the whereabouts of Thembelani Nomvalo, he was working as a Police Officer in Mthatha (Eastern Cape)Any kind of help would be much appreciated.
Posted by: Zofuya Siswana |
| Please people help me find the Nomvalo family at Tsolo in the Eastern Cape. I need to the whereabouts of Thembelani Nomvalo, he was working as a Police Officer in Mthatha (Eastern Cape) Any kind of help would be much appreciated.
Posted by: Zofuya Siswana |
@Tembelani The origin of the Qwathi has been traced to EmaXesibeni. Their arrival in Thembuland was most welcomed by the Thembu kings from Mnguti to Dlomo. Whilst maintaining their separate identity and autonomy they agreed to give to the Thembu kings one hundred head of cattle as thanks for allowing them to settle in Thembuland. This was a voluntary gesture of friendship which was not obligatory. But as time went on this became more obligatory than voluntary which led the Qwathi under Fubu to resent it. The only way to be rid of this obligation was by provoking war against the Thembu. This worked well despite their defeat. From then, on, they remained autonomous until the second enemy came... Inbox Me thandoklaas@yahoo.com for the whole PDF
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Molweni mawethu, Ndingu-Azola Fokwana waseQoqodala about 20km from Queenstown / 64km from Lady frere - Eastern cape.Bendingathanda ukuqhakamishelana nawo wonke amaHlubi/amaMfengu kweli lomzantsi, ndithetha ngooNkomo, Mntungwa,Ngubeni,Golela,Yengwayo, noMalinga. ukuba ungomnye wethu, sicela ukuba uzimanye nathi kumcimbi wokusihlanganisa (Family Reunion) esiwenza njalo ngoDecember 26 each year.. ningaqhakamshelana nam kule email adress: or kule number : 084 706 8991 malunga nenkcukacha zomcimbi walo nyaka. Koba lovuyo kakhulu ukunazi. Enkosi!
Posted by: Azola |
Molweni Ndinga thanda ukwazi imbali yama Qwathi. Ndifumana iindidi ngendidi zamabali kwaye ayihlangani nxa ndimamela. uDumba, uNoni, uDikela, uMbangula, Mshtwayibana uyabulela !
Posted by: thembelani |
| Thanks for a great article. I believe that it is so very important for more info to be made available about the amaXhosa as the little to be found on the internet and in the very few books about the Xhosa people seems to have huge gaps in the details that are given. I was raised in a white English speaking home during the Apartheid era but living on the Transkei border also learned to speak isiXhosa, sadly after living in England for over a decade, I have forgotten so much of my Xhosa history and much of the language too. I am back in the area where I grew up now and hoping to get more foreigners to visit the area so that people around the world will learn that there are tribes and clans in South Africa other than the Zulu and that there is a special and rich heritage for these people. Well done on this article and keep up the great work of helping people to learn about the culture and history of the AmaXhosa!
Posted by: Margi |
@Junior I'd say consult your elders regardless.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
@Junior Unfortunately I can't help you with this one... I can only give you advice.I think the first thing you have to find out is the clan name your womans uses... i.e her mothers or her fathers clan name [remember kwaXhosa surnames aren't as significant as clan names] in your case if she uses her fathers clan name then you shouldn't worry that much but if she uses her mothers then I think you'll have to consult your elders and pay close attention to what they tell you and then take it from there. I'd suggest taking their advice even if it means letting her go.
Posted by: M Klaas |
@Bjorn Here you go...Leta, uNdesane, uLibele, uMboyi, uKhwangeshe, uSwelizembe, uGqole'emgqubeni
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Can anybody please assist me with "izithakazelo" for someone who's clan name is "Ma - Leta"?
Posted by: Bjorn |
Good day I am Xhosa and I am not that clued up about my roots. I am actually going out with this lady who happens to be Xhosa also. It turns out that my dad and her mom have the same clan name but different last names. The conundrum is that I can't go out with her due to the fact that she is "family".Is this true and is there any remedy or ritual that can be done to appease the ancestors so as to allow us to continue dating? I mean I am not into this whole tradition business for I never grew up in that an environment - now for such to crop up just doesn't make sense to me. Can any of you help me with this - it is quite an urgent and sensitive matter.
Posted by: Junior |
Guys this is a great article! As a Xhosa man I feel a great sense of pride knowing that people still care about their roots. Also I feel a great sense of gloom to know that there are those who are Xhosas but abakwazi nokuzithutha and my word to them would be guys try and try again it is never too late to find out your roots. Lona ke uthethayo NguTshonyane, uDikiza, uMthuzimele, uChungwa,uSawa,uNkomo. Ibuyambo ntozobawo!
Posted by: Luvo Mxoli |
@bantu AmaNkqarhwane are descendants or are part of the Gqunukwebe tribe or clan just read my post [scroll further down] on how amaGqunukwebe came to be.
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
Does anyone there have information on the Bantu Tribes? I have met people from East, West, North and Southern Africa who claim to be Bantu's.There seem to be distinguished similarities in certain words like inyama, amanzi ukuhamba
Posted by: Mazandi |
I'm looking for info on amaNkqarhwane(na) apparently we are half Xhosa and half Khoi-Khoi. Please help.
Posted by: bantu |
@Zofuya Siswana Unfortunately I can't tell you anything about but what I can help you with is uMAKHUNGA, uMDLULI yinzala kaRhadebe... "UMzinyani eliqhawa elidumileyo. Kwathi mhla kwakuza kubekwa uDlomo ubukhosi nguRadebe, 'suke akavuma ukuya ebizelweni; endaweni yoko wasuka wabonwa enxula (ekhunga) izinja, esiya kuzingela, ekunye neqela lakhe, ekwathi kwakubikwa ngabathile ukuba uMznyani uye kuzingela, wavakala uRadebe esithi, se zimdlulile, kwaba sekusithiwa ngabakwaMakhunga okanye Mdluli."NgabakwaMakhunga-bonkosi, AbakwaMphakath' ayithwalwa. AbakwaMdluli awudlulwa Udlulwa nguRadebe yedwa, naye ngenxa yobukhosi."Iziduko ZamaHlubi ; Henry Masila Ndawo ; The Lovedale Press ; 1939
Posted by: Mbuy Klaas |
| This information is really helpful to some of us, especially those who have lost their roots. My wish is to know more about the Siswana family in the Western Cape. The reason for me to wish to know more about them is due to the fact that my grandfather left home for work some where in the Western Cape (Cape Town) during the 1930's and he never came back. I would like to find out about the origin of Mdluli clan and it's people. Any information will be of help to me.
Posted by: Zofuya Siswana |
I would like to know more about the Wushe clan. I would also like to know what relation the bhaca clan have to amaXhosa.
Posted by: Khanyisa |
| UMfengu is not isithakazelo or isiduko tata. It's a title given [by king Hintsa] to the clans that 'immigrated' to the Xhosa nation during the reign of Shaka, he called them amaMfengu as he welcomed them to Xhosa nation. @Andile masela So for instance you can have people of Zulu origion, i.e. Tolo Dlangamandla within the Mfengu group, or you can also have people of hlubi origion i.e. Rhadebe, Rheledwana and so forth. So you should just ask your father more about your clan name, i.e. Isiduko sakho
Posted by: Mbuyi Klaas |
What a great article!
Posted by: lindiwe nzimande |
Molweni mawethu ndivuyiswa kukuba ndingumxhosa oxhosa isixhosa samaxhosa sixhosa eso singasayikuxhoswa ngulowo athi azibize umxhosa engenguyanga umxhosa.
Posted by: Akhona Nkombe |
The hlubi is in the Eastern Cape in Mount Frere.
Posted by: chuma |
Molweni mawethu. Ndikweli lokuba by the 17th century amaXhosa were here in SA already, if at all it is true that they migrated from any where at all. Loo history yabhalwa ziimissionaries, and I don't think anybody is really sure about ubunyaniso bayo. Nditsho naleyo yokuba isiXhosa saboleka iziqhakancu kwiilwimi zamaSan: Zininzi ezinye izandi ezifanayo kwiilwimi zonke, zingabolekwanga ndawo. Elokugqiba, ndicela kuthiwe isiXhosa naxa kubhalwa isiNgesi, hayi "Xhosa". That is according to our democratic constitution. Let us not make it another way of pronouncing isiXhosa language to use a K. Just state the fact that those who cannot pronounce the clicks change them to sounds familiar to them. This language has no English name (Xhosa) and has no English pronunciation.
Posted by: MaNjobe |
| Please join this group when you've got time http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2382311623
Posted by: M Klaas |
My great grandmother was Mpondo I think probably the daughter of a Mpondo woman and an European man [Johnson was the surname]. Born in the little village of Hlabatini near Qaukeni in Transkei all very rural,is it the Mpondo who live there or another tribe?
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Cela ningisize ngihlala eMpumalanga ngifuna ukwazi ngesibongo sami okanye izithakazelo,ubaba wami uthi nginguMfengu wahamba kudala kubo uthi wase eastern cape amagama akhe ngu Bhunga Enock Masela manje una 60 yrs. Please I want to know my roots.
Posted by: Andile masela |
ndivuyiswa kakhulu kukubona umdla wabantu bakuthi kwimvelaphi yabo. Xa sizazi ukuba singobani sisisizwe esintsundu ,singakwazi ukubuyisa isidima sethu kunye nentlonipho, kutsho kuphele nokubiza abantakwethu ngama kwirikwiri. Ngungconde lo utshoyo.
Posted by: ntando dukwana |
| I have a book called "iZiduko zamaHlubi and iBali lamaMfengu", but they are hard copies. Here are some online resources for you, I hope that helps a bit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hlubi_people http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6254506963#!/group.php?gid=6254506963&v=app_2373072738
Posted by: M Klaas
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| Ndingathanda ukwaziswa ngesiduko sabantu bakwa Mjuleni kuba andisazi ngoba Utata wam azange atshate umama wam. Ningandithumela impendulo kule e-mail address elandelayo vivilu@vodamail.co.za
Posted by: Virginia Baloyi |
I'v noticed that amahlubi you find few and far in between. Does anyone know where I could get more info on them? Plus can I also get assistance ngokuthutha oDontsa ndazi nje izibongo ezimbalwa.
Posted by: Lusapho Hlatshaneni |
At the end of the day, you have to know that amaKwayi have Tshawe[royal] blood running through their veins and that's way thicker than words. Sinqula kukhokh' omnye, asi tshatiselani, siyazalana.
Posted by: Mbuyi Klaas |
@thamieg I'll have to check again. But I remember reading about amaKwayi being incorporated back into the Xhosa by Rharhabe son of Phalo.I'm not too sure if their chieftainship status was restored, but I'm assuming that it was because they joined Rharhabe of they're own free will, I'll check and confirm this for you.
Posted by: Mbuyiselo Klaas |
Molo, Thank you for the info if you say uMKwayi was stripped off his chieftainship does this mean they are not part of the royal family anymore or was this rectified?
Posted by: Thamie G |
@thamieg Bathi xabe zithutha:Kwayi, Ngconde, Togu, Ubulawi, Ngcond'oneentshaba
Posted by: M Klaas |
@thamieg AmaKwayi yinzala yamaTshawe, ooNgconde... They broke away from the amaTshawe centuries ago. Ziko senior brother and founder of the Kwayi clan was stripped off his chieftainship because he was a “hawk” who loved to fight wars. Ukukwaya is basically being rebellious, a title they were given by King Ngconde as he expelled them from amaTshawe.
Posted by: M Klaas |
| @khanyi Bhotani mawethu. NguTshawe lo, uNgconde, uTshiwo, uMdange, uPhalo, uKhawuta. First there’s Xhosa who begot Malangana. Malangana who begot Nkosiyomntu. Now Nkosiyomntu had children, Jwarha the eldest, Cirha, Tshawe, Qwambi and then the heir to the Xhosa kingship. The story is, Tshawe went hunting one day and returned with a blue buck antelope. Following the usual custom, the principal king, Cirha, required that a certain portion be reserved for him. Tshawe refused on the plea that the animal was too small. Cirha replied that it was old as it had horns. But Tshawe’s refusal was final. Cirha asked chief of the right hand house Jwarha for assistance to battle against Tshawe and this was given. During the course of the fighting, in which Tshawe was on the back foot. Tshawe sent to the neighbouring Mpondomise, clan [AmaRhudulu] for assistance and with it Tshawe was able to defeat and overthrow his brothers Jwarha and Cirha. Jwarha went away with a certain following to seek a new home, living behind his son [heir] who remained with Tshawe as his spokesman. Now the amaCirha were broken and stripped off of any royal authority in the Xhosa nation, till this day. House of Phalo
Posted by: M Klaas |
Hi,I'm interested in knowing the origins of my people, AmaCirha. If you could help me with that, I'd really appreciate it.
Posted by: khanyi |
| Hi I would love to know more about my origin. My parents moved from amakhaya and settled eRhawutini so when you ask them something they can't answer. I am uMakwayi and I would like to know izi Ngqulo zamakwayi and a bit of history about the thing yoKukwaywa.
Posted by: thamieg |
@ Yolanda I am a Xhosa from the Gqunukhwebe tribe and would like to know more about my clan, Myeka. Unfortunately andikwazi nokuzithutha and that's a disgrace. I hope I can get help as I need to know my roots.Posted by: Yolanda AmaGqunukhwebe, NgooKhwane, Tyarha, Tshaka, Chungwa...amaTshawe...
Posted by: thando |
@Funamna Mankaye uNdungwana was the first born of Nxego and elder brother of Dlomo even though he was not the heir. AmaNdungwane are structured as follows: (Ndungwana, Diya, Gungu, Langa, Kono, Bejula, Nene, Qwesha, Ndarala, Tshaka, Mvumbi, Siyabalala)When they arrived at Xonya they were under the rule of Mtywaku, son of Ntshinka. For more information check this link out http://uqconnect.net/~zzhsoszy/states/southafrica/thembu.html and this one: http://books.google.co.za/books?id=n_gAfWhOE4sC&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=Nqolomsila&source=bl&ots=QZ-A_rNgIH&sig=jOylsk6gSIhosQvKmkrOVEiXkjY&hl=en&ei=LDQsTcC5NYTrOb_K0acK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Nqolomsila&f=false
Posted by: M Klaas
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| AmaZangwa are originally Mpondo they are one of the clans that voluntarily joined the Xhosa nation, due to cultural differences with the then Mpondo Nation. This was also the case with the Mpinga clan which is originally Mpondomise and the Mfene clan which is originally Sotho. There's a book called "The House of Phalo" or "Umzi kaPhalo"
Posted by: M Klaas |
| @Queenscious Sinkwane ooMlambo: Mdineka, Nhlabathi, Sishange,ndwandwe,maphisa,nkwali,gasa,mthimkhulu,Zwide kaLanga Maphisa, Mdineka, Gubhuza, Mtshali, Mlambo omkhulu ongawelwa abantu owelwa zinkonjane zon' ezindiza phezulu!!! Camagu!
Posted by: M Klaas |
Mahle Ndzotho, Ndiya vumelana nawe nga phandle kwale yamasiko akwaNtu. I don’t think our culture was adopted from the San people I think it's actually the other way around. Perhaps some of our linguistics was adopted from the San and it’s a fact that the Xhosa did in fact intermarry with the San. But the culture was not, my reasoning... back then the San was inferior to the Xhosa i.e. they were conquered and back then being conquered meant that the conquered will be integrated in to the conqueror's nation. So the San [nation] people became part of the Xhosa nation and inherently practiced the customs that the Xhosa nation practiced. So our customs and culture is actually from Embo. 2000-4000 years ago Egypt and or Zaire were not Muslim or French “colonies” so it was all different. I believe the San people did not just pop up from space, they also came from Embo probably millennia before us but that’s just my theory. Camagu
Posted by: M Klaas |
@Ntantiso OoZikhali ngama Mfengu or Hlubi, Mfengu in other words your clan was either Zulu or Hlubi, but through wars and other influencial trials and tribulations i.e. wars, migration or even cultural differences, Chiefs had to take their clans and Abandon their nation(s) and join other (stronger) nations. They were welcomed to the xhosa nation by king Hintsa as Mfengu. Meaning they can keep some of their customs, but they had to practice the Xhosa customs as well. There's a book called "ibali lama Mfengu" look it up. Bathi xabe zithutha abanye... "Zikhali, Khanyile, Sangweni, Hlongwane, Mdladla, Sogodi, Ngwane. Ngabathembu Sangweni, Ngwane , Khanyile, Hlongwane, Nkosi, Gadamanzi, Mtungwa Nina bakaMatiwane Masumpa kaZikhali ezingafani nezabafokazane MaNgwane KaNgwadi. Nkosi Masela Mathanga adunuse onxuweni Ngwadi, Masengasileke, Ndukuzinobulongwe, Mntungwa". Hope it helps, if not just drop me mail at thandoklaas@yahoo.com
Posted by: M Klaas |
I am a 21 year old xhosa man who hails from the Free State Province ndingu ngum qoco o zikhali, o tiyeka, o jojo. I would like to know which clan do I belong to, my family was originally from Lady Frere but migrated to the Free State in the 1930's.
Posted by: Mncedisi Ntantiso |
Can anyone advise the correct Xhosa pronunciation for "sipho' = gift?
Posted by: Paul |
| I strongly disagree with the article above when it says that amaxhosa people gradually migrated from Zaire in the 17th hundreds. The likeliest period of their migration could be around six hundred or thousand years ago. This article says exactly what the Boers would like black people of South Africa to believe that this country is historically theirs because they first arrived here in 1652 and black people only arrived during the seventeen hundreds and this is highly misleading. Black people easily believe without question even when they are led to believe they don't historical belong in South Africa. The period when the amaxhosas and the Boers encountered each other the Xhosa language had already well developed and we know that the Xhosa language has the clicks of the San people's language and the San people have been in South Africa for thousands of years. This should tell us that the amaxhosa people interacted and in some instances inter-married with the san people for many years which is the reason why the Xhosa language is known to have strong clicks of the San and this development happened long before the arrival of the Boers in South Africa. It is known that large amount of cultural and traditional beliefs of the Xhosa was adopted from the san people. Please don't mislead people to make yourselves feel better.
Posted by: Ndzotho |
Lovely stuff man. May we have more please...
Posted by: Ziyanda Roxa |
| Teaching isiXhosa into a after care project, brought up as umXhosa, I would like to have special courses that will advance my Xhosa into ezinjengamaqhalo, deeper xhosa. I feel like people from the cities has lost the originality of Xhosa. My heart is on bringing back that to the new generation.
Posted by: Noxolo gladile |
| @Xolil Stofile From a book called “The House of Phalo” please look it up. “Another important event was the invasion of the Ngqosini clan. Gaba their leader, hoisted the elephants tail at the great place and indicated that he viewed himself as chief. Tshiwo was save by only by the intervention of a councilor named Khwane. A widespread oral tradition that Khwane had been entrusted with witchcraft executions, but that instead of doing his duty, he had hidden the condemned (witches) people in a forest where they had intermarried with local Koi. At the critical moment when Tshiwo was on the brink of defeat, Khwane led his secret army into battle and saved the day. Tshiwo rewarded him by appointing him a chief in equal rank to amaTshawe, his people became known as the Gqunukwebe, probably because of the large number of Khoi in their ranks”
Posted by: M Klaas |
| Here's another resource yeziduko ntozobawo...I hope you'll join and find it useful. http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2382311623&topic=5676#!/group.php?gid=2382311623
Posted by: M Klaas |
| My late Father U-Gantolo, u Mpondo came to the Free State in the mid 1940, where he met my mother, they eventually went back to Port Elizabeth, where I was born. Due to the dragonian laws of apartheid, my father came to live in the Free State capital, Bloemfontein. I was still a young man who could not question my father about my roots. For instance the surname Mabaso is an adopted name due to influx control laws, I'm not sure wherether the real surname is Darabe oR Radebe, as I could gather from my mother. I still have my father's two sisters my older aunt is very is not willing to give the facts about the surname issue or their place of birth, but what I can say for sure is that they are from the Transkei. I would love to find the excet place of the Amampondo to try and get the truth about myself and my real surname. Even my Father's elder brother changed his surname to peters. That is why I say I'm not sure I'm Mabaso.
Posted by: Phenda Mabaso |
| Here is a website yeziduko for anyone who might need it, it's working progress meaning not all the clan names are there. Please people feel free to just add your own clan name and a brief history of your origin if you can. Please also try to put your email address or facebook name should you add information i.e brief history... All information is welcome. http://www.wakahina.co.za/
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| @xolil stofile Well it is true that a lot of our history is not documented; there are no clear points of reference I’ll concede that… but that is exactly what we need to change. We really need to have more resources like this [this website, books, etc.] where knowledge of our history traditions and culture(s) is shared. I understand where you coming from with the history, discovery channel... but I think this is something we need to do ourselves, we need to write our own history. Discovery channel would probably have to go to someone who’s an indigenous African in order to obtain that information meaning that this is something that we can do. I believe it’s better for us to just write our own history because it’s ours and that’s up to us. We have to see to it that what is documented is factual and I simply don’t believe that discovery channel is the way to go. I’d be offended if I were to see our history and or culture on Discovery or History channel especially if this were to occur without our Consent. But I generally believe it’s our responsibility. It’s a pity I can’t put all of my knowledge into this post but I’ll try to give you a summary of our history. Basically sonke sisuka Embo bhuti. By “sonke” I mean Xhosa, Hlubi, and Zulu. So were all one nation at one point. Some believe that Embo was in Zaire [or what’s now known as the DRC], central Africa or even Egypt. We migrated from Embo and as the Nguni nation. We obviously subdivided over time and the end result is that we are a couple of nations more now… Today just look at the common denominator, we all believe in ancestry… unfortunately that’s all I have time for now. But I’ll be sure to set up a blog and later a website and I’ll publish the information I’ve collected on this thus far. Until then, Camagu.
Posted by: M Klaas |
I am a Xhosa from the Gqunukhwebe tribe and would like to know more about my clan, Myeka. Unfortunately andikwazi nokuzithutha and that's a disgrace. I hope I can get help as I need to know my roots.
Posted by: Yolanda |
I think that SA should get in programs like Discovery or History channel to come and investigate the origin of our people, Xhosa, Zulu, Sotho and many others. Where do we get hold of these people because they are the ones that can really dig deep into all kinds of history secretes. Any one that can help with their contact details? My email is stofile@mtnloaded.co.za
Posted by: xolil stofile |
I would like to know the rites of passage for Xhosa girls ..my mother is Xhosa originally, but got married in Botswana so I never really got in touch with my Xhosa roots - but would really love to.
Posted by: lerato |
I'm looking to find my ancestors. I was raised and baptised as a so-called Cape Colored. However, since I can remember I have been 'drawn' to the Africans and even though I have been married and raised 3 grown children, I feel a very strong "pull". Some of my family names are Stevens, Van Rooyen, Andrews, Olifant. Someone told me that we have Mlonyeni in our family. There is Kleinbooi and Jordaan. I was born in Humansdorp, spent todler years in Knysna, live in Cape Town for the past 30-odd years. My grandmother was Katrina Stevens, she married Stefaans Andrews, they raised many children together.
Posted by: Charmaine |
@ Zamikaya Makalima Mahle bhuti: Sonke sisuk’ Embo Tata, from you’re clan name it sounds like you’re of “Dlamini” lineage. Remember that Dlamini is Hlubi King, i.e. King Sobhuza is Dlamini and that is a Swati king. Your culture is probably Hlubi or Xhosa [Mfengu] but rest assured we are one although you may’ve come from Swaziland this your home now. In Swaziland the culture there is Sotho Hlubi and that’s why we can’t say the Swazi Hlubi and the South African Hlubi. We would be dividing the Hlubi nation.
Posted by: M Klaas |
@ Olwethu A brief about AmaMpondo. It’s true that our customs are not as strong and adhered to as 100 years ago, but I don’t think they’re necessarily dying, just evolving. Remmber that “you’re culture is yours to edit [change]”. I suppose the biggest concern would be that there is not enough knowledge sharing around our culture(s). Which is directly linked to us not caring about thing like writing books, creating movements that promote our heritage(s). Basically we are just concerned about our survival as individual entities than the survival of isintu. AmaMpondo are actually part of the Xhosa nation, they are not a clan but they are a tribe or sub-nation if you will. Their most famous ruler is Faku who, in the early 1820’s, prohibited the practice of inititiation [male circumcision]. There are many stories of why banned the practice, I won’t go into that though. But the Mpondo people still practiced some of their other customs like “ukuChaza” [cutting/ sacrificing the faces] and so forth… Email Me @ thandoklaas@yahoo.com
Posted by: M Klaas |
Hi!i want to know about my culture and where wev from they say ndingu Mfukweni, ubhayi, ukhetshe,ameva amhlophe, inyoka emnyama ecanda isiziba kumlambo omkhulu, umsuthu ng ohlanga. Umbuzo wam sidibana phi nesixhosa.
Posted by: L .Douse |
I'm uMamzangwa, I would like to know more about the origin of my Clan as I only know how to praise myself, but I seriously do not know where our origin is. Please help.
Posted by: Thobeka |
| @ M Mpofu. AmaTshawe ngamaXhosa-xho. These people are the descendants of Xhosa himself, their lineage is that of paramount Xhosa King. Thus their customs are Xhosa, they don't do "ingqithi" [sacrificing the left finger] or "ukuchaza" [sacrificing the face]. They do initiation [rites of passage] and circumcision, but females don't circumcise though. Lobola and others that I haven't enough time to go to. Email me at thandoklaas@yahoo.com
Posted by: M Klaas |
I for one want to know iziduko zakwaLETA xa ziphelele cs. I only know oLibela, Butsolobentonga, Gubhuza to name a few. What tribe do I belong in since I'm a Leta - need to know my roots.
Posted by: mvelo leta |
I'm Xhosa, but as I grew up I asked more about my surname on where it originated. Apparantely I'm originally Tswana, but Xhosa is my mother tounge. I'm still in a process of finding out my roots.
Posted by: Zimasa Tshwane |
I would like to know all of my clan names. The only clan name I know is Mamlambo.
Posted by: Queenscious Sinkwane |
TThe Xhosa is a son of Nguni - with his brothers the Thembu, Zulu, Bhaca, Mpondo, Swazi and Ndebele. Their origin is the same as they are the sons of Mnguni. During their departure from Zaire after the death of king Mnguni there was a distrust among one another on who is going to be his successor. They splited when they were in the southern part of Africa.
Posted by: Zihle Qaba |
| I would like to know why the Xhosa people lose interest of their culture. They are adapting to modern times and they forget about their culture. I, for one know nothing about my clan the Amampodo because I was never taught how to act or live life like a Mpodo should. I was never taught the praises of my clan. I spent most of my life living with Amamfengu and I adapted to their lifestyle but no-one told me that I was a Mpondo until I was 13 years old. I would appreciat if you did a story about Mpondo people.
Posted by: olwethu |
| I want to tell the world that I'm Xhosa speaking, yet I am a Swazi, Umtshengu, Usobhuza, Tshabalala, Donga dilika, Zidwaba zinothuli, Mhlangamvula, Ndungunya and so forth. My family is living in the Eastern Cape, Nqqamakwe. A little has been said about where we are from, especially when there is a mention of Mfengu people who migrated from the Northen KwaZulu to be accommodated to the Eastern Cape. When speaking of the Mfengu's, The Hlubi's, Amazizi and Rheledwane's are recognised, but the Swazi's are not mentioned. The only Swazi's that are known are the ones that are in Swaziland and in Mpumalanga Province. Even my grand fathers Manzini; which is the town in Swaziland.
Posted by: zamikaya makalima |
Great article, but can you tell me more about iziduko zakwaMpofu?
Posted by: Nqabeni Mpofu |
I would like to know if there are other Samela's out there especialy amaMpondo ooThahla oFaku. I want to meet them as we are a little family from Queenstown.
Posted by: tamara |
I am from the Thembu clan. I would like to know more about the Hala family tree. I am Ndungwane, uDiya, Sophitsho Ngqolomsila....
Posted by: Funamna Mankaye |
I am living in Botshabelo in the Free State. I am from the Zangwa clan. I would like to know my clan history. If any elder can help me I would be very appreciative. I had undergone some family rituals but would like to know more. Ndi ngu khwalo, umlanjana uncuthu.
Posted by: Zwelibangile |
I am a 28-year youngman and a Xhosa would like to know about the significant role that a dance, music and drum play in a ritual or ceremony.
Posted by: bonga ngumbela |
| Who am I? Where do I come from? Take me back to Southern Zaire to Migration movement that took place and led thousands of people from southern Zaire in various directions to cover most of Africa south of the Sahara. One of the tribes who took part in this migration was the Xhosa, descendant from a clan of the Nguni. Today the Xhosa is the most southern group of the migrations from Central Africa into the southern Africa areas. Am I Nguni or Xhosa? My clan name is Gaba, Ngqosini,t hithiba, Mjobi The Xhosa finally settled in the area that is now known as the Eastern Cape (formerly the Transkei and Ciskei) and comprises of a number of clans, the main groups being the Gcaleka, Ngika, Ndlambe, Dushane, Qayi, Ntinde and, of Khoisan origin, the Gqunkhwebe.
Posted by: Nontando Nyamakazi |
I would like to know more about amaCira, I am getting married to them, and would like to know more about their ukwamkelwa komakoti no kunxityiswa.
Posted by: Dolly |
I'm looking for any QAbathi / Xhabathi / Mangale members. My late grandad was Fikile David Qabathi and we want to know more.
Posted by: Thenjiwe Qabathi |
I'm half Xhosa and I want to know who I really am - as I'm a traditional young girl been born in Free State and it does'nt really help me. I want to explore and live the amaxhosa lifestyle such as to eat samp, dress, chores. etc
Posted by: Thenjiwe Xhabathi |
I'm a 21 year old man from eMthatha ngokozalwa, ndinguNdlia, uNyezile, Qhangaza, uNgqili, indlwana isematyani. I'm proud of the bits that I do know about my culture and tribe. As brief as it is, it's quite an informative article. I would like to know more about the history of how the different Xhosa tribes settled where they are today.
Posted by: Mnikelo Ndlovu |
My origins are of royalty....I'm indeed falling in love with my culture.
Posted by: Lukhanyo Gqili |
I would love to know more about isizwe samahlubi as I'm also a Xhosa girl from Emahlubini in Eastern Cape, but never got a chance to experience my culture as my family moved away because my father married a Zulu lady. I would like to know more about my surname and izimna zakhithi or izithakazelo so I can have a sense of belonging.
Posted by: novuyo rhadebe |
| Hi I am a 21 year old lady. By origin I was born in Lady Frere, which is rich in culture and customs. My clan-name is Mamngxongo, ntsundu, bhomoyi, qhamane, mgudu, yem-yem zondwa ziintshaba, vela bembhentsele! I like this article a lot but I think there is more liberation that needs to be done especially in the clans. Remember within the Xhosa tribe we have a series of head-clans (amamfengu, amampondo, amagcaleka, abathembu, amahlubi namarhanuga). You must also know that these groups do things sllightly differenty, eg amabhaca cut their faces while abathembu don't. Again within the groups family clans also have different cultures, ie some families do ingqithi (cutting a finger) while some don't. The culture covers us all, but each area has itheir own custom. That also reinforces the spirit of unity and belonging. I grew up in Cape Town but I know a lot about my customs and I would love to know even more. My greatest fear is that, the western culture is taking over and we are losing our originality. There is more I want to say but for now...mandibeke ingca, ndihlabele mgama! You can find me on facebook (Siphesihle Qabaka).
Posted by: siphesihle Songo-Qabaka |
I'm a young Xhosa lady who wants to know more about the Skhosana clan, oMhlanga. My late grandfather (Kywman Skhosana) was born in Tsitsikama and his family is still there. I just want to know how they came to this area and where they migrated from. Are they originally from the khoi-san clan?
Posted by: Belinda Mda |
I need explanation of my surname (Sekhupela).
Posted by: Velile Sekhupela |
Can u please explain me more about the Mtshawe clan? How they do their rituals please.?
Posted by: M Mpofu |
Love this article! But I need two know more!
Posted by: Takita |
I like this info - it helps us to know more about our culture and our traditions.
Posted by: minentle tshungu |
I would like to know more about the Xhosa people. I fall in love with my culture.
Posted by: Chulumanca Dyasi |
I would like to know more about the relationship between colonial modernity and Xhosa custom and traditions.
Posted by: Zanele |
I want to know more about 3 stages of rituals of a girl in Xhosa culture.
Posted by: doncy |
I'm researching a documentary film that we going to be filming soon about the Xhosa Cultures and Tribes. It's quiet an interesting project and if anyone knows as to where to get activities such as traditional rituals, poetry, traditional songs and dances please drop me an e-mail (irvinpamana@yahoo.com) or leave that info on facebook group Irvision Productions
Posted by: Irvin |
I'm a Xhosa and you could say 'I'm lost in translation'. I was born and bred in Gauteng which is good to some extent but not when you hardly know about your culture and the little you know is just from hearsay. I'd really love to learn more. On a practical basis I'm from King Williams Town so I'm told and I'm planing on going there to figure out my roots and learn in the process. And not become part of the statistic lost to the western culture - but in all the article is very educational.
Posted by: duduzile SIMKA |
iLobola is something that we mistake with buying of girls from their families. Could someone kindly inform us about the ilobola (what is it for and what it resembles).
Posted by: Xolani |
Can anyone please provide me with the details of the Mpondo and Hlubi clan and where their kings are, as well?
Posted by: Ncwetha |
I would love to know more about my culture, amasiko nezithethe, I think we are losing the touch of ubuntu.
Posted by: kenny Maya |
That's nice, but I need to know more about the Xhosa as a young man. I need to pass this history to my children and grand children.
Posted by: Sanele |
Want to know more about Xhosa food and greetings. I'm teaching the kids the Xhosa culture, but in my search I cannot get the info.
Posted by: pat |
This information is helpful. Thank you so much for publishing it.
Posted by: asandiswa |
I am amazed at the similarities in the culture of the Xhosa in South Africa and the Gisu in Uganda, Eastern Africa. e.g. initiation into manhood, common words. I would love to understand the origins and migratory routes of these two peoples.
Posted by: Mabala Samuel |
I would like to get more infomation on Iziduko in general and the origin of AmaKwayi in particular.
Posted by: Ntsikelelo Mgwangqa |
This is a great article.
Posted by: Rina brummer |
Great article!
Posted by: daniela sarah |
I'm looking for the surviving members of the Xesha family 'Amanqosini' - orginally lived on a farm in Burgersdorp and Dordrecht. I'm a descendent of Nontombi Violet Xesha, her siblings were Phikani, Kholiwe, Notose who all came to Joburg in the 1930s. Their mother was called 'Nini' and their grandmother 'Ou Cups' - who raised them. I am tracing my roots. Any help will do. I intend travelling to their place of birth. Nokuthula Ledwaba (nokuthulaledwaba@yahoo.com)
Posted by: Nokuthula Ledwaba |
I like the info you give us & help to know our culture at all times.
Posted by: sizeka |
I like this article :-}
Posted by: philip |
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